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Yamaha Star Bolt Categories => General Yamaha Star Bolt Discussion => Topic started by: DrM on October 03, 2020, 06:24:00 pm

Title: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: DrM on October 03, 2020, 06:24:00 pm
2019 Yamaha Bolt R-spec: 4000 miles and One Year Later
 
Many Plusses Some Minuses

ITEM/Factor                           Plus (+)                               Minus (-)                    Comment

As an Urban/Suburban bike   Outstanding                                                           Very quick, Nimble, Great milage, Very reliable

Traffic lights/stops                                                               Bad                         Engine heat can burn your right leg and often your left
                                               
As a Freeway bike                      Very good                                                           For short freeways
   
As a Highway/Touring bike           Good                                                              For short trips   
                                                                                             Bad                          For long trips   

I can stand some short segments of 70+ mph highway speeds, but it gets tiresome on long stretches because of an uncomfortable OEM seat and poor wind management around the head.  Also, would be better with a 6th gear.

How do I like it?  For the type of riding I mostly do, I like it.  I wont say I love it, but Im close.

Will I keep it?  Likely, I will keep this bike.  I like how it looks, and I suspect the production run for the Yamaha Bolt is nearing its end, and this is an icon I personally like and want to possess.  And for what riding I actually do, it is mostly a fun bike to ride.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: David77 on October 05, 2020, 03:01:51 am
Agree with most of it! Especially the 6th gear!
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: lunkhead on October 05, 2020, 10:52:33 am
You don't need 6 gears on a bike with a such a wide power band as the Bolt. Six speeds are used on bikes with much narrower power bands. You only need a larger countershaft pulley or smaller driven pulley if you're trying to lower the revs at highway speeds.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: DrM on October 05, 2020, 11:19:13 am
You don't need 6 gears on a bike with a such a wide power band as the Bolt. Six speeds are used on bikes with much narrower power bands. You only need a larger countershaft pulley or smaller driven pulley if you're trying to lower the revs at highway speeds.
Speak for yourself, but I would leave all the current 5 gear ratios as they are and add a 6th gear!
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: E on October 05, 2020, 12:35:25 pm
6th GEAR thought
BOLT 4,000 rpm to achieve 77 mph as i recall (75 mph is Colorado interstate highway speed)
My car - 4 cylinder, 200 HP Turbo at 3,500 rpm is 85 mph (4,000 rpm is 95 mph)
- is my BOLT engine stressed on highway similar to driving my CAR at 95 mph or more daily ?
I ride 10 miles to work on interstate thru the summer
HOT engine at legs or feet - during summer i did notice HEAT blowing towards my Right Ankle / Foot area
thankfully i never burned myself
I have K&N cold air intake filter - my RIGHT Knee does wish i had about 2" More clearance - so that i could HUG Bike with my knees on CORNERING at highway speeds (55 mph hairpin turns on State highways)
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: west.c.ridez on October 05, 2020, 07:06:31 pm
Hey DrM

You mentioned the discontinuation of the Bolt is nearing it's end. I'm curious to know what makes you think that?

I thought their sales have been exceptional.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: DrM on October 05, 2020, 07:25:55 pm
Hey DrM

You mentioned the discontinuation of the Bolt is nearing it's end. I'm curious to know what makes you think that?

I thought their sales have been exceptional.
Some things I notice, like same color last three years (not trying to bring out any model that even looks new), substantially lower end of year prices, and mostly a niche market that has fewer and fewer patrons.  Just looks to me like the manufacturer is depleting their existing inventory.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: west.c.ridez on October 05, 2020, 08:51:59 pm
Hey DrM

You mentioned the discontinuation of the Bolt is nearing it's end. I'm curious to know what makes you think that?

I thought their sales have been exceptional.
Some things I notice, like same color last three years (not trying to bring out any model that even looks new), substantially lower end of year prices, and mostly a niche market that has fewer and fewer patrons.  Just looks to me like the manufacturer is depleting their existing inventory.

Thanks. I'm always interested in the business aspect of any industry I'm into.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: lunkhead on October 05, 2020, 09:55:53 pm
You don't need 6 gears on a bike with a such a wide power band as the Bolt. Six speeds are used on bikes with much narrower power bands. You only need a larger countershaft pulley or smaller driven pulley if you're trying to lower the revs at highway speeds.
Speak for yourself, but I would leave all the current 5 gear ratios as they are and add a 6th gear!

My point is that a "torquey" bike with a broad torque range like the Bolt can't benefit from more gears which is why they don't have them amongst other reasons. A bike with a peaky torque curve will need more gears to keep in a narrow range or it'll fall off the power band when upshifted. That'll never happen with the Bolt because it has more than enough torque available between shifts with only 5 gears. Electric bikes have an extemely flat torque curve so they only need one gear. Add a hot enough cam, etc. to the Bolt and you might want/need more gears.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: lunkhead on October 05, 2020, 10:52:32 pm
Hey DrM

You mentioned the discontinuation of the Bolt is nearing it's end. I'm curious to know what makes you think that?

I thought their sales have been exceptional.
Some things I notice, like same color last three years (not trying to bring out any model that even looks new), substantially lower end of year prices, and mostly a niche market that has fewer and fewer patrons.  Just looks to me like the manufacturer is depleting their existing inventory.

The 2021 R-Spec parts list shows new graphics but no list for the standard Bolt. That model might be dropped.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: DrM on October 06, 2020, 12:19:27 am
Hey DrM

You mentioned the discontinuation of the Bolt is nearing it's end. I'm curious to know what makes you think that?

I thought their sales have been exceptional.
Some things I notice, like same color last three years (not trying to bring out any model that even looks new), substantially lower end of year prices, and mostly a niche market that has fewer and fewer patrons.  Just looks to me like the manufacturer is depleting their existing inventory.

The 2021 R-Spec parts list shows new graphics but no list for the standard Bolt. That model might be dropped.
You are so right -- only two models shown for 2021: One R-spec for California, and one R-spec doe the rest of the US, and no basic model for either.

You have any idea of the color(s) to be used?
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: tramp on October 08, 2020, 05:18:44 am
6 yrs and 37,000 miles later would i keep it?
i think i'll go for a ride and think about it
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: Crilly Wizard on October 08, 2020, 07:23:55 am
I like the 5 gear ratios as they are, and 5th gear is fine for constant 70mph.
I might like a close ratio 6th for highway cruising at 85mph though.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: lunkhead on October 08, 2020, 02:27:34 pm
My C-Spec is a keeper because it's perfect for 2-up riding once I got the rear seat sorted out and Progressive shocks installed. No complaints about the motor after getting the ECU flashed. OEM mirrors shook so I replaced those. Steering bearings still need to be replaced before I can say it's perfect.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: lunkhead on October 09, 2020, 04:13:58 am
Quote from: DrM
You have any idea of the color(s) to be used?

The descripion for the rims says they are for MDYNM2 so the tank is black and the graphics should be Mat Dark Yellowish Gray Metalic #2.

There're now 10 different sets of cast wheels for the Bolt. 00-00 (high gloss), 10-0X (red stripe), 10-1X (white stripe), 10-2X (red tri-stripe), 10-4X (yellow tri-stripe), 10-5X (dark red tri-stripe), 10-6X (gray tri-stripe), 10-7X (gray stripe), 10-98 and 10-P0 (?). Not sure but I think X means Low Gloss Black.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: E on October 09, 2020, 03:34:51 pm
Quote from: DrM
There're now 10 different sets of cast wheels for the Bolt. 00-00 (high gloss), 10-0X (red stripe), 10-1X (white stripe), 10-2X (red tri-stripe), 10-4X (yellow tri-stripe), 10-5X (dark red tri-stripe), 10-6X (gray tri-stripe), 10-7X (gray stripe), 10-98 and 10-P0 (?). Not sure but I think X means Low Gloss Black.
My BOLT must have 10-2X (red tri-stripe) as there are 3 - 12" long +/- red stripes with BOLT written in the middle as i recall
SO my question does this occur on my BOLT ?
are these a Neon Type WOW effect stripes, when a CARS Headlights shines onto my BOLT riding perpendicular to the Car - like thru an intersection ?
... i was 50 yards away from lighted intersection at Night - a motorcycle rode thru, and there WHEELS Wow affect Glow in the dark
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: DrM on October 09, 2020, 05:31:57 pm
Quote from: DrM
There're now 10 different sets of cast wheels for the Bolt. 00-00 (high gloss), 10-0X (red stripe), 10-1X (white stripe), 10-2X (red tri-stripe), 10-4X (yellow tri-stripe), 10-5X (dark red tri-stripe), 10-6X (gray tri-stripe), 10-7X (gray stripe), 10-98 and 10-P0 (?). Not sure but I think X means Low Gloss Black.
My BOLT must have 10-2X (red tri-stripe) as there are 3 - 12" long +/- red stripes with BOLT written in the middle as i recall
SO my question does this occur on my BOLT ?
are these a Neon Type WOW effect stripes, when a CARS Headlights shines onto my BOLT riding perpendicular to the Car - like thru an intersection ?
... i was 50 yards away from lighted intersection at Night - a motorcycle rode thru, and there WHEELS Wow affect Glow in the dark
I can't speak for any wheel other than the -10-0X (red stripe) used for years 2015, 2019, and 2020 -- which does NOT "fluoresce," "wow," or "glow" when a light shines on them at night.  You can check this out on your own bike at night (or in a dark garage) by just shining a flashlight on them and see if they reflect back.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: lunkhead on October 09, 2020, 09:17:10 pm
OEM rims can't have reflective rims unless it was red in back and amber in front. The Vanderhall 3-wheeler has it's reflectors on the wheels to make it street legal.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: E on October 12, 2020, 11:40:15 am
Thanks Dr M on glow in the dark advise
Thanks lunkhead on the legality
SO - my conclusion , my Rims (3 - 12" long stripes) do Not glow in the dark (my Profile photo has rear reflector glow - but Not rims
i am concluding that during the DAYTIME my RIMS would give a unique "pulsating" affect of RED Rims as the Tires rotate
difficult to SEE when i am riding it - ha,ha
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: DanaRacer on October 12, 2020, 03:01:21 pm
My rims have a blue stripe, 24,000 and still happy.
Title: Re: 4000 miles and One Year Later -- will I keep it?
Post by: Pir8 on October 14, 2020, 12:45:02 am
After 5 years and 25000+ miles, I'm keeping mine.  One thing I LOVE about this bike is it's versatility.  It started stock 1 up, of course.  I added the daytripper seat from saddlemen and the stock sissy bar and it did 2up duty for a couple years.  I also bought the Mustang passenger seat and a red and black Corbin driving seat with detachable saddle bags for longer touring.  I bought a new Fender so that I could undue 4 bolts and change to a 1up bobber.  Detachable windshield and for the summer, a fly screen.

Then I bought a Raider. 

Now I have the bolt with drag bars, springer seat, no rear fender, fly screen; set up as a 1up bobber/cafe racer. I get comments all the time on the bolt.  It's kind of weird.  The Raider is this huge monster of a bike with one of the biggest chromiest Vtwins ever made, but the bolt gets way more comments.

Bolt is great. Raider is great.  I'll be keeping both.