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Offline kraven

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2014, 01:29:33 pm »
Seems like you could send the gauge off to a gauge restoration or mechanic specialist and have the glass replaced with something superior, for a fair price.

Places like Bob's speedometer do resto work, including glass, all the time. He's got a website, and a phone. I just don't like the stock gauge at all and don't care to keep it.

Wish I could get my hands on a Bolt speedo for RnD, because I bet I could come up with a cheaper solution if I could get one apart.
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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2014, 07:00:07 pm »
Seems like you could send the gauge off to a gauge restoration or mechanic specialist and have the glass replaced with something superior, for a fair price.

Places like Bob's speedometer do resto work, including glass, all the time. He's got a website, and a phone. I just don't like the stock gauge at all and don't care to keep it.

Wish I could get my hands on a Bolt speedo for RnD, because I bet I could come up with a cheaper solution if I could get one apart.

Come on, I gave you all the procedural guidelines you'll ever need to do the Lobotomy...go for it!!!...lol

https://www.yamahastarbolt.com/general-yamaha-star-bolt-discussion/gauge-lcd-speedo-etc/msg16032/#msg16032

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2014, 07:16:30 pm »
Those 4 pages of your time are very valuable indeed.

Replete with pics. But I just really want to tear one apart because I have an idea about the optics of the gauge and using non-polarized but tinted plastic over the whole thing.
Just to brighten it up a tad.

But it seems like so much aggravation to go to just to still have the factory gauge.
The trouble port seems to be the big stumble. Seems like a small device could store codes and serve as a port, with the right wiring and engineering. The odo functions could be looped to not screw things up, and the whole enchilada could be tossed.

But that's a lot of fancy footwork.

I'm just brainstorming here. I should stop.

I think for OP, the best fix is still an inexpensive GPS mount and an inexpensive waterproof gps along with a 12v adapter. Less than $100 fix and no engineering really needed or non-stock wrenching of parts.
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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2014, 07:32:06 pm »
The trouble port seems to be the big stumble. Seems like a small device could store codes and serve as a port, with the right wiring and engineering. The odo functions could be looped to not screw things up, and the whole enchilada could be tossed.

But that's a lot of fancy footwork.

I'm just brainstorming here. I should stop.

I think for OP, the best fix is still an inexpensive GPS mount and an inexpensive waterproof gps along with a 12v adapter. Less than $100 fix and no engineering really needed or non-stock wrenching of parts.

As for the plexiglass being polarized or not...I don't think it is...I will take the piece that I cut out and try it bright sunshine, the next day the sun decides to come out...we are under some cloud cover right now for a few days...

And as far as the lens on the LCD itself...now that would take some delicate modding...not hard but time consuming to change it out...but doable...

On the "porting of codes" out of the meter and/or ECU...hold that thought...is already in the feasibility study at my contact's business...with three "tools" that I shipped there...

If this bike were a US$15K+ base bike, I would already have the Motogadget Classic Black Gauge on it...but with a US$7999 MSRP base...I just can't justify a US$1000 mod...although that gauge is really good looking and would go great on the Bolt...aesthetically and functionally...

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2014, 02:10:34 pm »
I'm following this up through Yamaha, took these pics today as a start point :





the difficult to read one has come out better (worse?) than it was, anyway it shows what we're talking about.
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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2014, 11:49:33 pm »
The difficult to read picture you took is better then what I see most of the time on mine. I rode to work Friday morning and 90% of my ride was with a totally black speedo and where I work there is not much traffic going the same direction so I had no cars to base my speed off of. Luckily I saw no cops either. But I think your picture helps show that there is definite problem viewing it in sun light.


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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2014, 12:33:33 am »
Here's some perspective after owning this thing for a while. I filed a complaint about the speedo, early on. I think it's a good idea, poorly executed.

95% of the time, now, the "chrome" ring, reflecting sunlight, bothers me far more. I would rather not be watching the speedo while riding. I know how my bike sounds at a given speed, in a particular gear.

The other lights are fine. I see them without much trouble.

I would love to see it fixed or find a simple replacement, but it's so far down the list I don't even think about it.

I think if I were looking for complaints about the Bolt, I would have to say the small fuel tank would be my only gripe! I want more capacity now, but no big deal... That's an easy problem to resolve.

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2014, 01:55:08 am »
I know that a bunch of us have reported the Speedo to the NHTSB and Transport Canada as a safety issue. You'd think that would get back to Yamaha at some point and light a fire under them, but apparently not.... at least so far.
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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2014, 04:58:53 am »
The difficult to read picture you took is better then what I see most of the time on mine...

I agree the dull pic doesn't show how bad it can be, yesterday going into Edinburgh I had no speedo reading, coming home it was a lovely display.
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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2014, 10:32:55 am »
The trouble port seems to be the big stumble. Seems like a small device could store codes and serve as a port, with the right wiring and engineering. The odo functions could be looped to not screw things up, and the whole enchilada could be tossed.

But that's a lot of fancy footwork.

I'm just brainstorming here. I should stop.

I think for OP, the best fix is still an inexpensive GPS mount and an inexpensive waterproof gps along with a 12v adapter. Less than $100 fix and no engineering really needed or non-stock wrenching of parts.

As for the plexiglass being polarized or not...I don't think it is...I will take the piece that I cut out and try it bright sunshine, the next day the sun decides to come out...we are under some cloud cover right now for a few days...

And as far as the lens on the LCD itself...now that would take some delicate modding...not hard but time consuming to change it out...but doable...

On the "porting of codes" out of the meter and/or ECU...hold that thought...is already in the feasibility study at my contact's business...with three "tools" that I shipped there...

If this bike were a US$15K+ base bike, I would already have the Motogadget Classic Black Gauge on it...but with a US$7999 MSRP base...I just can't justify a US$1000 mod...although that gauge is really good looking and would go great on the Bolt...aesthetically and functionally...

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I should be easy enough to see if it's polarized if you have another piece of polarized glass / plastic.  Take that other piece and rotate it around.  If the lens darkens and lightens every 90 degrees of rotation, then it's polarized.  If it doesn't, then it's not… and it's merely tinted.

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2014, 10:43:09 am »
I should be easy enough to see if it's polarized if you have another piece of polarized glass / plastic.  Take that other piece and rotate it around.  If the lens darkens and lightens every 90 degrees of rotation, then it's polarized.  If it doesn't, then it's not… and it's merely tinted.

So let me get this right...if I take the rectangular smokey plexiglass piece that I cut out of the OEM Meter...position it and on every 90 degree turn, it will darken or lighten, depending on the polarization at that angle?...

Do I need to do it in the Sunlight?...

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2014, 11:02:33 am »
It'll help to do it in sunlight so you can get a better contrast between the gauge face and 2 layer.
I'm thinking it's polarized because of how unreadable it can be when more light hits it. It's like a photon party and everyone is invited.
Also: Hooray for Isaac Newton.
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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2014, 11:17:22 am »
It'll help to do it in sunlight so you can get a better contrast between the gauge face and 2 layer.
I'm thinking it's polarized because of how unreadable it can be when more light hits it. It's like a photon party and everyone is invited.
Also: Hooray for Isaac Newton.

I just did it through a window but didn't see any change but I will do outside in the sunlight today, if the sun comes out...

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2014, 11:50:45 am »
Sorry… I wasn't clear.  If you look through TWO pieces of polarized glass / plastic while rotating one of them it will get lighter and darker every 90 degrees of turn.  The reason is that polarized glass lets light waves through at only at one orientation.  When you combine a piece that is letting the waves through only one way and another that is doing the exact opposite, then basically light can't get through.

This is why polarized lenses help get rid of glare.  Typically scattered light comes at your eyes every which way.  When there is an intense glare coming from something, usually a bulk of the light comes at you in the same plane as the object that is reflecting it.  Most of the glare you see from stuff laying flat or relatively flat is sent horizontally.  That's why polarized sunglasses usually are designed to cut horizontal waves while allowing vertical ones.

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Re: File speedometer complaint
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2014, 12:55:45 pm »
Sorry… I wasn't clear.  If you look through TWO pieces of polarized glass / plastic while rotating one of them it will get lighter and darker every 90 degrees of turn.  The reason is that polarized glass lets light waves through at only at one orientation.  When you combine a piece that is letting the waves through only one way and another that is doing the exact opposite, then basically light can't get through.

This is why polarized lenses help get rid of glare.  Typically scattered light comes at your eyes every which way.  When there is an intense glare coming from something, usually a bulk of the light comes at you in the same plane as the object that is reflecting it.  Most of the glare you see from stuff laying flat or relatively flat is sent horizontally.  That's why polarized sunglasses usually are designed to cut horizontal waves while allowing vertical ones.

So, if I take the piece that I cut out of the Meter in half, put one piece on top of the other and rotate one 90 degrees at a time, I will be able to see the glass change "color"?...

I guess it depends on how much it is polarized but I have to wait for it to get darker or lighter, correct?...or will it be apparent right away?...
 
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